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3:44 pm
June 3, 2010

cprpoker

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Post edited 3:46 pm – June 3, 2010 by cprpoker

So I raise from the CO with TT and get a call from button and the SB. Continue on the flop (overs on board) and get called again. check, check, check the K turn. K on river and I lead again and get re-raised.

Hadn't noticed anything special about Villain's play and I think he could have any Qx, Jx, Kx. I don't see him bluffing here.

What's your move and how's the play up till this point?

Edit: In hindsight, I don't might betting out again on the Turn when the 1st K hits. I am open ended and if I get raised/cr'd I can proceed cautiously/fold.

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BTN: $29.04

SB: $39.04

BB: $28.67

UTG: $25.35

Hero (CO): $34.96

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with T of diamonds T of spades

1 fold, Hero raises to $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, 1 fold

Flop: ($2.50) 5 of spades Q J of clubs (3 players)

SB checks, Hero bets $2, BTN calls $2, SB calls $2

Turn: ($8.50) K of hearts (3 players)

SB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($8.50) K of clubs (3 players)

SB checks, Hero bets $4, BTN folds, SB raises to $10, Hero ????

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4:30 pm
June 3, 2010

CoolWhipFlea

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I'm dumping here. I don't mind the c-bet on the flop, but there aren't too many hands that villain is going to raise you with here, and everyone of them has you beat. Kx, Qx, Jx, and 66, as well as AA (most unlikely). Villian could even have AT or T9, and you're toast. I think AQ is likely holding here….maybe AJ…possible Kx. But I think you're behind here, I dump it as played.

I MAY have check called the river, but I definitely am not leading there. When I got called by bother players on the QJ6 flop, I have to figure that I'm either way ahead, or way behind. So a check seems like the best river play (esp after the turn check).

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6:36 pm
June 3, 2010

4Get 2 4Bet Me

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You have two options here, after the flop.

You either barrel again on the turn, or you give up, unless you complete the straight on the river.

You opted to check the turn, so you gave up. There is absolutely no reason to bet the river. c/r the river is one of the strongest plays to be made in NLHE, and he did it. Whether or not he is a fish, not many people have what it takes to use it as a bluff. So, now instead of getting a cheap showdown and at least gaining some information you are forced to fold with none.

With the check on the turn, you opted to not represent a K, and then on the river you change your mind.

It doesn't matter what you have, the board hits 90% of his range. You have no options.

And no, check/calling the river is not a good line. Unless you are just doing it for the info. Almost no one is going to bluff that board.

So no, you either barrel the whole way and show a lot of strength or you give up completely. There's no middle ground for this board.

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4:37 pm
June 4, 2010

cprpoker

BOSTON

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Yeah, I wound up folding and yeah, checking the turn showed him I was weak. I didn't really like this hand at all.

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4:40 pm
June 4, 2010

4Get 2 4Bet Me

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Yeah, TT isn't easy to play post flop. A whole lot of cards can flop that ruin it, and all those cards are in everyone's range.

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10:04 pm
July 1, 2010

ffcowboy76

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I don't think the bet on the flop was very profitable based on the texture of the board. You have the possibility of over pair, straight draws, and flush draws ALL on that single flop. You raised pre and told them you have an above average hand. The button cold calls and the SB calls with huge odds. The flop comes and the SB checks (I would put him on either straight or flush at this point). Based on what the Button probably is holding Jx, Qx, Kx, Ax, 55+ (fairly loose) you are hammered by Qx, Jx, 55, JJ, QQ, KK, and AA, the later 4 are unlikly based on betting. I think the button would of 3bet pre with any big pocket pair.

Based on that line of thinking I think we check/fold the flop. It missed our hand and we have decided that he is hammering us with almost 50% of the possible hands he could have. If we are going to c-bet it should be around 1/2 pot (we only need to win 1 of 3 to break even) based on his range. I would only c-bet if we think he will fold his Kx, Ax, and some of the weaker Qx and Jx hands on that flop.

Based on your play, I think the river is a fold. He now crushes you with almost 75% of his possible range!

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