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3:39 pm
October 21, 2009
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Street3
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This is the 5th hand of the Turbo. Blinds are 25/50 and 4K starting chips.
Seat 1: Carse (4000 in chips)
Seat 2: Seat 2 (3600 in chips)
Seat 3: Seat 3 (3600 in chips)
Seat 4: Seat 4 (3950 in chips)
Seat 5: Seat 5(2695 in chips)
Seat 6: Old Crack Head (5100 in chips)
Seat 7: Seat 7 (1465 in chips)
Seat 8: Seat 8 (3180 in chips)
Seat 9: Seat 9 (3155 in chips)
Seat 10: blank seat (3950 in chips)
blank seat: posts small blind 25
Carse: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Carse [Jd 2c]
Seat 2: folds
Seat 3: folds
Seat 4: folds
Seat 5: folds
Lucky Fuck: calls 50
Seat 7: calls 50
Seat 8: folds
Seat 9: folds
Seat 10: folds
blank seat: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ad Ks 10h]
Carse: checks
Old Crack Head: bets 200
Seat 6: folds
Carse: calls 200
I'll post Turn after a few responses…thanks
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$50 > BANKWIRE > DECLINED > DOJ > LOL
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3:54 pm
October 21, 2009
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The_Gov
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Your choice, obviously, but I would have folded when the old crack head bet. 
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3:56 pm
October 21, 2009
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Street3
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| wife..k | posts 210 |
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And now this happened:
*** TURN *** [Ad Ks 10h] [Qc]
Carse: checks
Old Crack Head: bets 600
What would you do?
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$50 > BANKWIRE > DECLINED > DOJ > LOL
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4:03 pm
October 21, 2009
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Street3
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| wife..k | posts 210 |
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Post edited 4:05 pm – October 21, 2009 by Street3
And then
Carse: raises 3150 to 375 and is all in
Old Crack Head: calls 3150
*** RIVER *** [Ad Ks 10h Qc] [Ac]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Carse: shows [Jd 2c] (a straight, Ace high)
Old Crack Head: shows [Kc Kd] (a full house, Kings full of Aces)
Old Crack Head collected 7575 from pot
Here's the visual:
http://www.pokerhandreplays.co…../id/970088
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$50 > BANKWIRE > DECLINED > DOJ > LOL
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4:26 pm
October 21, 2009
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Mac Zealot
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Hmm… I think that once you called the flop over-bet, and you caught your gutshot, you were pretty committed to going the whole way. However, it may have been interesting to go with something like a min or 2.5x raise of his turn bet, to see what he would do, but the push isn't unreasonable.
So, we really need to go back to the flop and your check-call of his over-bet. You don't have anything close to the right odds to call for a gutshot draw and even if you talk yourself into that, do you really think there's any future value if a Q does hit?
I think that you had a pretty clear (and, also, pretty easy check-fold on that flop…
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4:29 pm
October 21, 2009
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Street3
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| wife..k | posts 210 |
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Mac Zealot said:
Hmm… I think that once you called the flop over-bet, and you caught your gutshot, you were pretty committed to going the whole way. However, it may have been interesting to go with something like a min or 2.5x raise of his turn bet, to see what he would do, but the push isn't unreasonable.
So, we really need to go back to the flop and your check-call of his over-bet. You don't have anything close to the right odds to call for a gutshot draw and even if you talk yourself into that, do you really think there's any future value if a Q does hit?
I think that you had a pretty clear (and, also, pretty easy check-fold on that flop…
Guess that will teach me to chase a gutshot w/o right odds…. thanks for your input!!!
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$50 > BANKWIRE > DECLINED > DOJ > LOL
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4:36 pm
October 21, 2009
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Mac Zealot
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I was only bringing in the pot odds, because they help to illustrate when a fold/call can be considered "mathematically correct".
As for lessons learned, I think the one real takeaway from this is "bad players can make really bad plays/calls and still get stupid lucky on you", aka. "that's poker! ".
In terms of chasing a gutshot, early in the tournament is a great time to do it, especially when calling the flop isn't a huge percentage of your stack. I just look for spots where hitting the straight is a bit more hidden than 4 broadway cards on the board. 
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6:32 pm
October 21, 2009
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4Get 2 4Bet Me
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He played KK horribly, but he did manage to get paid by someone playing J2. Obviously, you cannot call that bet on the flop. You need to know you only have 4 outs, and even then, you might be chopping (Anyone with AJ, KJ, QJ, JT etc etc etc). So when you call there, you are a long shot, and someone else might just be freerolling with a made hand when the best you can do is split it 50/50.
Once the turn comes, it's a suck, re-suck. You had it coming, so tough to complain.
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7:13 am
October 22, 2009
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cprpoker
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| TPT Admin | posts 811 |
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Mac Zealot said:
You don't have anything close to the right odds to call for a gutshot draw and even if you talk yourself into that, do you really think there's any future value if a Q does hit?
That
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